Red Queen Discussion Journal

Our discussion of Red Queen by Juan Gómez-Jurado was complex and revealing. Because the book was written in Spanish, I specifically asked our readers to pay particular attention to proverbs and pop-cultural references. How much is universal? How much of what we read is the translator? I was worried that the increasingly disturbing violence and possibly cliched superheroine and sidekick would be off-putting. I shouldn’t have been worried. Most of our readers found the book to be a page-turner, even if not their favorite – and they were ready to delve deeper into specifics of writing, story, and character development.

Our first responder had started out listening to the audiobook and found the story to be difficult to follow. She was unable to take advantage of how the author changed perspectives by chapter because the narrator was too monotone.  Despite the difficulty, she moved back to the printed page and felt the brain challenge was worth it. A new member had trouble with the audio book because the narrator was too dramatic – like listening to a Spanish telenovela.

Our third responder zoned out trying to listen to the audio! Fortunately, she also did not give up. She was engaged by the story, but her first comments were that the pacing seemed strange, with unnecessary historical details about buildings and tunnels. She felt like it was written and ready for the television series it has already inspired! She wondered if anyone else had considered that Mentor was behind the murders just to get Antonia working again? We all seemed shocked by this idea, so I’d answer, “No!”

The story was confusing enough for several of us who wondered about the motivations behind the murders: why were the criminals using the religious references, what happened to the reporter, what about the housekeeper who lost her son, must we read the other two books to find closure, was that the author’s plan all along? We definitely wanted to understand more about the characters’ motivations and were not satisfied that we were expected to read more books. Probably half of us will continue in the series – or at least watch the English-dubbed television series.

What about the characters? One of us thought that Antonia Scott was created like Captain America, but all for Spain. Another member called Antonia a freak and wanted to know more about the housekeeper. Another loved that the author included a gay character without his sexuality being a major part of the story. He felt the characterization was spot on. John had to be super good, just to be a cop. He reminded our reader of Jonathan Kellerman’s LAPD Detective, Milo Sturgis.[i] We still wondered if the gay theme wasn’t offensive, but another member suggested that although depictions in the book might be distasteful, they were realistic to a traditionally machismo society and role. Currently in law school, she also appreciated the scene in which Ortiz’s lawyer manipulated Ortiz into putting his company ahead of his daughter’s rescue. Another of us commented that she is constantly amazed at people’s ability to rationalize anything.

We noticed and talked about so many things. Even though the story took place in Spain, at least one of us mentioned their disappointment that it could have been in anywhere USA. Was that because the translator was doing too good a job making the story accessible? What else might have changed? At a member’s suggestion, I let AI answer that question – apparently other readers and reviewers elsewhere have had the same concern. One member said that she was just reading along and ready for the next book – as if she were too accepting and not critical enough. But isn’t being engaged also important? Entertainment, education, shared experiences. There’s a time and a place for everything. I hope you’ll find that time and place with us in the future.

  • WORDS:
  • Amnosia – loss of smell
  • Campero eggs – a type of chicken
  • Cocochas – “Kokotxas is a traditional Basque fish stew. The dish is made from stewed fish necks / dewlap (normally from a fatty fish like cod or hake) served with a sauce made from white wine, garlic, flour and olive oil.”[ii]
  • Koan – an unanswerable question or riddle
  • Panniers – a pair of bags that fasten around the back tire of a bicycle or motorcycle
  • Phaeton/phaeton – “a vintage automobile of the touring-car type”[iii] or specifically in the book, a VW Phaeton. But also, according to multiple sources, Son of the Sun-God in mythology.
  • Philology – the study of literary texts, specifically for linguistics

[i] “[Jonathan Kellerman’s] next idea was for the guy who would become the bestselling, longest-running gay character in all of crime fiction: Delaware’s best friend and crime-solving partner, LAPD detective Milo Sturgis, a 6-foot-3, 250-pound, gruff, brilliant detective, ostracized by his colleagues, tolerated only because he has the highest solve rate in the department. As Kellerman describes Milo’s life in that manuscript, ‘A gay cop was a person in limbo. You could never be one of the gang back at the station, no matter how well you did your job. And the homosexual community was bound to be suspicious of someone who looked, acted like and was a cop.’”

I found previous description of Jonathan Kellerman’s character in an article in Tablet Magazine titled, “When Whodunnits Become Woke.”

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/kellerman-milo-sturgis

[ii] There are a lot of interesting reference for this. For ease of explanation, I chose Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokotxas

[iii] Dictionary.com

6 thoughts on “Red Queen Discussion Journal

  1. From CB: I tried Red Queen. I really did. I have this rule of thumb: I subtract my age from 100, and that’s how many pages I read in a book before I decide I don’t like it and give it up. Well, I read about double that and decided I couldn’t stand the book because it was just a bunch of evil.

    My brother likes thrillers, so I loaned it to him and he couldn’t stand it either. So we gave it back to the library.

  2. From CB in South Carolina:

    Red Queen was a real page turner for me. As usual, I’m anxious to hear the group’s reaction.

    What a great opening line! “Antonia Scott allows herself to think of suicide no more than three minutes a day.” What? Why? What’s going on? This plunged me right into the story and made me want to know more. Right away, I can tell that she’s very depressed. (But why?) Also, there is control there. She wants to escape her pain, but won’t allow herself to give in to the impulse to kill herself. I love the description of her mind being like a jungle full of monkeys. Gotta admit, mine feels like that some days!

    Jon is introduced first as he is laboriously climbing stairs, which makes it obvious he is not in great physical shape – not superhero material. Then, in a flashback, it is revealed that he has made a very stupid mistake by trying to plant drugs in order to get a criminal off the streets. Okay, there are many main characters in murder mysteries who are middle-aged. (Miss Marple was no spring chicken.) You expect them to catch criminals through brilliant deduction, not by literally running them down like an NFL tackle. But I wish that the author had used a different scenario to provide the means for Mentor to blackmail Jon. It made it hard for me to think of him as a good detective. Or was he only supposed to be the dumb sidekick in a well-used trope?

    Nevertheless, Jon and Antonia are quite a team; a depressed, semi-catatonic genius and a dumb, but lovable cop. Such underdogs that you gotta root for them.

    I didn’t love the plot – too much going on – but I kind of set that aside and just enjoyed the flow and pace of the novel overall.

    There is SO MUCH to unpack in this novel that I could go on for pages and I’m sure you will have a lively discussion. I did watch a few minutes of the TV series and I think they cast the perfect guy as Jon. Look up a phot off Hovik Keuchkerian. He is 6’3″ and a two-time Spanish heavyweight Champion boxer turned actor.

    • Thanks for sharing. It reminds me that one of our members noticed how the book opened and closed with Jon going up the stairs – but with the change in perspective.

      • From CB in South Carolina: PS 

        I was confusing the Red Queen with the Queen of Hearts. The Red Queen is a chess piece and is known for her speed and ability to move in any direction, per Google.  For me, this added to the meaning of the name of the clandestine group.

        Also, I didn’t like the inhumane techniques employed in Antonia’s training. I think positive reinforcement is better, but the author justified his way in his note by citing examples of women who had excelled with harsh training. If you have any teachers in the group, I’d love to know their opinions.  

        Too much going on in this novel!

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